Wing Chun Academy of Thailand
Around June of 2010, I was discussing with Sifu Nelson Chan and Sisook
Lester Lau about the validity of the story of Yim Wing Chun overpowering
the warlord who was trying to force her into marriage. New "researches"
are stating that there wasn't even a person such as Yim Wing Chun or Ng
Mui, and that a woman was never involved in the development of the art.
However, the new researches are hearsay just as the one about Yim Wing
Chun. There are no written records to substantiate either researches.
However, based on our understand of the art itself, we've concluded that
Wing Chun had to have been born by a woman or womenfolk. and that the
story of Yim Wing Chun overpowering the warlord is likely true.
The other question that came up was, how long did Yim Wing Chun train
for the fight?
My estimation was 6 months; whereas, Sisook Lau's was 3.
Whether the story was true or not, the question that comes to mind is
how short a time can an experienced martial-arts master train a novice
to become proficient enough to overpower a fighter with some
Isn't Wing Chun suppose to be the ultimate fighting art? If so,
shouldn't someone with proper training not be able to overpower someone
of another system, or someone in the same system with improper training,
in a shorter training period?
Yim Wing Chun must have trained 6 to 8 hours on a daily basis, for 3 to
6 months, for the fight. She may have had more than Abbess Ng Mui to
train her, as she was in the Daliang Mountain region, where matriarchal
societies existed, and where a women's fighting system may already have
existed. Based on 6 hours a day, she would have put in 540 hours of
training in 90 days; more than modern martial artists put in a year
(6-hrs/week times 52-weeks equals 312-hrs). So based on the
sophistication of the art, and the number of hours of training, it
doesn't appear to be unfeasible for Yim Wing Chun or a serious novice to
train daily for 3 months to overpower a marital artist with 3, 5, or
even 10 years of poor training or system.
The opportunity came for me to test out this theory when someone had the
time and desire to train under me for 3 months on a daily basis, and I
also had the time and desire to train him.
The student was Michael Charles. His home is in Trinidad. He had
graduated from Computer Science in the U.S. He has been teaching English
in Xian, China, for the past 3 years. He had done some Karate training
in the U.S.
I decided to take this challenge (upon myself) to my Lijiang home and
school (in Yunnan Province of China), where the environment is
befitting. Not only did I have the clean air, space, and tranquility,
but to some of us, the birth of the Wing Chun system.
To our misfortune, I had only 2 months time to train my student. To our
good fortune, I got another student who made the commitment to train
daily for the 2 months. We also got one of my online students, Eddie,
come to train for 2 weeks. He is a Belgian of Romanian origin. He had
learned Wing Chun for 3 years in Belgium, and 2 years in Beijing.
Although we don't want to use him as the opponent of the challenge, he
would be a good person to gauge and judge the progress and results of
the crash-course challenge.
Michael started on August 9, 2010; Libing started on August 19; and
Eddie joined us from August 30 to September 9.
For your interest, the whole day-to-day 2-month training sessions are
available in the pay-to-view video-lesson section of this website http://wcats.com/Videos/.
At the end of this
document, is the link to a test conducted by myself and a local sifu who
has done 25 years of martial arts.
Below, are initial reaction from readers, and my responses concerning
the challenge. (Also read reactions after a 45 days training after the
Rafael Avella from Spain:
"Just to give a personal opinion to the Wcats members about the
I am sure that everyone is quite nervous to check the result of this 2,5
months training period.
I would say that besides the final result, it is very interesting to
view the training methods that Sifu is going to use to teach the new
This kind of information will give us the great opportunity to grow a
little more and to advance with our WC development.
For me, the final result from Sifu's new students overpowering a M.A.
with more than 5-10 years experience, it is not the most important
I don't even think about if that is possible or not; but my main
priority is to learn from how Sifu is guiding this guys to become a good
martial artists in a very short period of time.
Big Hug to Sifu and my Brothers"
Bash from UK:
"I must say well said, i cant see why all the controversy, really! there
must be narrow minded people if they take everything literally, as a
newbie myself im paying close attention to how your students are
progressing, and if im not wrong i can see that they are doing SLT at a
satisfactory level, and from the way you have taught me i can appreciate
the importance of having a good understanding the fist form. I can see
their movements flowing quite smooth and accurately which i guess will
help them start to understand the power of soft vs hard movements, which
im still learning my self. i wish you and your students all the best
with the training, keep up the good work guys."
Gregorious Jonker from Australia:
"Just wanted to wish you goodluck and admire the students whom taken on
this task. I know by my own experience that there are methods of
training and teaching WC, that will excel the progress of oneself or
Wish I could be there and support you. It'll be Fun."
Rogelio Rodriguez from US:
"I had been training VT for no more than 3 months, and had up to lop sao
no changes, so basically all I knew how to do was pak sao, pak dar, lop
sao and 1st part of SNT.
A friend invited me over to her home town, and while we were there she
asked me if I'd like to visit her martial arts school that she had
attended for some time and maybe train with them. Since I am a martial
arts enthusiast I accepted and went over to pay a visit to the
There was a black belt at the school that seemed to be the higher rank
and was shouting orders to the rest, in a military fashion, he was
pretty cocky about it. He saw me and when I told him I had done some
kung fu he said that he wanted to spar with me, so the whole class put
on their sparring gear protections and got in pairs while he faced off
His fighting style had a side jumping stance, like some taekwondo or
karate styles, and his way of fighting included high kicks and feint
punches to the air.
Long story short, I had to work really hard at
being respectful and not laugh out loud as I saw him fall repeatedly to
the ground when his high kicks were run over by my chain punch and he
fell to the ground, or when his feint punches where not reaching me as I
watched him and then turned on my chain punch blasting through
everything he had.
I sparred with everyone on that school, and no one had anything to do
against my three months of VT.
When we left for home and no egos were to be hurt I couldn't stop
laughing when my friend told me that a chubby 10 year old looking
japanese kid was asking her what he could do to learn what I was
Rafael Cruz from US:
(1) "Not so "out there," when you consider what it is that you are
attempting. That is, to experiment with a method to test if an
individual could be taught in a shorter period of time. While many
things may not be probable- everything is possible. Indeed, what the
mind can perceive the body will certainly follow, given the right method
I believe that you make a good point in asking the question as to
defining proficiency in the scope of time- after all, who has determined
that time and made it law? We do see the mixed martial arts
practitioners excel in their craft in short periods of time.
So, physically- yes, at least they will be better off than they were.
Mentally, I think it has to take time (but how much time?) - I suppose
that will be a consideration of your venture.
Actually, I am over here biting my nails anticipating the result of your
experiment. The application can be valuable to all Ving Tsun
practitioners, regardless of their respective time and level. For, if a
"newbie" can achieve a level of proficiency in a short period of time,
how much more can an individual with a more "seasoned" mind.
I wish you well- I hope you succeed :-)
P.S. An after thought...I remember reading in the book, "There Are No
Secrets," where Chen Man Ching stated that sometimes he would get a
student who "got it" after a few months of dedicated training- yet,
typically most people required many years. I had always been curious
about that statement."
(2) "I just spent some time on the WCATS (Sifu Danny Xuan's site). Well,
the man has it! Great teacher as well as martial artist. And very funny
(hilarious), down to earth person. Sifu Xuan, I truly enjoy your videos-
will most likely subscribe. So, the Sifu criterion is definitely there
from what I can tell. Still, even if the student criterion is filled,
can the neuromuscular conditioning be achieved in three months? How
about the mind and the heart? This is very exciting, I will follow this
one closely. Wish you well..."
(3) "Hmmm, I suppose if a student were trained round-the-clock
(excluding time to eat, sleep, move bowels, micturate and hygiene), he
might be able to attain a significant level of skill. That is, assuming
that the student is talented, reasonable and devoid of sufficient ego to
learn, and the Sifu is not only knowledgeable("master" level) but also
able to verbalize (teach). However, as I understand Ving Tsun, there are
attributes that must be developed which require neuro-conditioning. I do
not believe that the process of neuroplastic development ever needs to
end- thus, a serious ten year practitioner reasonably would have
developed attributes which should theoretically be more sophisticated in
comparison to one who has trained hard for three months. It is very
difficult to break through the level were strength yields to skill(
sensitivity, relaxation, coordination, timing and balance). It takes
faith to muster the courage to let go of the perceived security of
physical strength thus giving in to the development of these necessary
attributes. Mentally, achieving that level of faith does probably take
some time. Indeed, a stronger individual or one that has previously
learned a "harder " method would probably be impeded by his strength or
knowledge. So that given individual would need more time to unlearn what
he had prior to the development of what is required to achieve a truly
sophisticated level of Gung Fu. What Sifu Pajil describes as "stop and
go," or the development of the skill to be able to tense and relax
fluidly seems to me necessitates quite a bit of time as well. How much
time? I certainly do not know. The practitioner that has achieved that
level of skill would most certainly destroy another who presents simply
with strength and aggression... Indeed, the method of the mind as well
as the method of the heart are intangible factors which would be
required as well- these appear to me to take quite a bit of
introspection, experience, and time. Lastly, how is the so called, "ten
year practitioner" to be chosen? The comparative result can be
manipulated based on the person chosen, I would assume."
Angelo B from US:
"I am interested in becoming a member to glance at videos and to watch
any kind upcoming attractions as Sibak Lester's challenge to you. I
think it is possible for a quickening of a students skills, rather than
waiting years and years. Especially if a concentrated and interested
effort is given by both student and teacher. knowledge made
comprehensive to the student can encourage interest. I am very
interested in this as I was in a school where I stagnated for 8 years
and it is because of no passed knowledge and progression in those
places. I was aware early on about this but I stayed just to keep a hand
in the art and did not know of any other places to turn to. This was
during the mix everything together stage of martial hell and it took its
toll, but I am still here and like what you have shown here. I would
like to wish you luck with the challenge."
Aldo Cataldo from Italy:
"Grazie Sifu per aver risposto. Ma non si offenda se le dico che non ho
capito molto da questa risposta. D'accordo, non c'è lotta ma un "test".
Ma le chiedo: " In cosa consisterà questo test? Come si testano due
allievi con tempi di formazione diversa per vedere se hanno la stessa
abilità?". Due che si sfidano su qualcosa sapranno pure in cosa
consisterà la prova!; altrimenti come fa ad accettare una sfida. Poi,
l'allievo in 2,5 mesi dovrà raggiungere il livello di competenza o il
livello di conoscenza di un praticante di 10 anni di pratica?. Si
suppone che un praticante di 10 anni abbia già terminato il sistema (a
meno che non te lo insegni Leun Ting....in tal caso te ne vai in
pensione con i coltelli!). Allora, poiché in 2,5 mesi gli allievi
vedranno tutte le tessere del puzzle, anche se non composto
completamente, significa che vedranno anche rudimenti di palo, uomo di
legno e coltelli? E se no, questo significa che le forme non a mani nude
non sono poi così indispensabili? So già che lei ha già in mente tutto
il programma che intende svolgere, per cui ha già la risposta.
Sicuramente non sa come risponderanno gli allievi per questo l'obiettivo
finale rimane incerto. Comunque se ha difficoltà a rispondere, non si
preoccupi. Non intendo insistere più di tanto. Era solo una mia
curiosità. Saluti e buon lavoro.
P.S. Se non l'avesse capito ...
faccio il tifo per lei!"
"Ma ... questa sfida ... contro chi deve essere fatta? Dove deve essere
fatta? Con che modalità si svolgerà? Ci sarà un "ring"? Insomma, visto
che veniamo continuamente informati dell'evento, ci può dare qualche
informazione più concreta a riguardo?"
My response regarding to queries on the "challenge."
(1) "I want to clarify a few things regarding the "Challenge," which
WCATS and Moy-Yat VingTsun Clan have been querying about.
There is no upcoming "Fight."
The Challenge is not between my student and any particular 10-year
veteran VingTsun or other style martial artist. The Challenge is for me
to enable my students to reach a level of 5 to 10 year level of another
training program within 3 months. The Challenge came from Sifu Lester
Lau, and I accepted it.
The Challenge came about when we discussed how much training time Yim
Ving Tsun may have received from Abbess Ng Mui to enable her to
overpower the warlord who was trying to force her into marriage. My
estimation was 6 to 12 months; whereas, Sifu Lester Lau's was 3 months.
It certainly wouldn't have gone past 12 months, as no one would wait so
long for a fight or marriage.
It doesn't really matter if the fight between Yim Ving Tsun and the
warlord was a folklore or had really occurred. The question is, how
quickly can a student be trained to become proficient in Ving Tsun. I've
been doing Ving Tsun for 39 years. I've gone through the ropes, and
have learned from mistakes. With all the information I have, can I
condense it, and pass on the vital data to a student to bring him up to
a level where he's able to overpower an average martial artist of 5 to
10 year practice?
Martial arts training program has always been for the teacher to give
the student pieces of information like a jigsaw puzzle, whereby, the
most faithful and enduring student is given the last piece. The pieces
are taken out of a bag and given one at a time without the student ever
seeing the finished picture (as in a jigsaw puzzle box). Now, what if a
student is shown the picture first, and given the jigsaw pieces.
Wouldn't he have a better chance of completing the puzzle in a shorter
time than one who hasn't seen the picture?
Although 3 months is too short of a time for me to train a student to
become proficient enough to overpower a martial artist of 10 years, I've
accepted the challenge as a challenge to myself (rather than my student
against another martial artist).
I actually have only 2.5 months with my students in Lijiang. However, I
will do what I can to make them as good as a 5-year VingTsun
practitioner, or maybe more.
Of course, I need to test the result of my training program. I will try
to find a martial artist of 5 to 10 year experience for them to spar
with; someone who's not out for blood. However, it will not be an easy
task, as who will want to be in his shoes. If he wins, everyone will
say, "Of course, he had 7 years over the 3-month practitioner." However,
if he loses, he loses BIG TIME!
I know someone in Lijiang with 20 or more years of experience in martial
arts. I will approach him, and see if he is willing to participate in
In the mean time, don't wait for a big fight event. I'm recording my
students' progress. At the end of the training session, you can judge
for yourself if they're at a level where they're able to fight
practitioners of 5 to 10 years of training.
(2) "Obviously, it is an unusual task and challenge that I've taken,
which is causing much controversy.
What we're trying to understand is how Yim Wing Chun was able to
overpower a male martial artist. Sifu Nelson Chan, Sifu Lester Lau and
I have discussed this. We believe that it was within 3 to 6 months ...
PLUS ... more than Abbess Ng Mui helping her. In order for her to
overpower a male martial artist in such a short time frame, she had to
have been given different perspectives of martial arts.
Books and movies come from imaginations. However, some derive from
reality, and some become reality (like science fictions).
For example, in the movie, Prodigal Son, Leung Jan was trained by Leung
Yeetai and his brother to overpower a much more experienced martial
artist in a short time. This theme is retold over and over in Chinese
(and now Hollywood) movies.
We believe that a women fighting system existed before Abbess Ng Mui and
Yim Wing Chun formulated the Wing Chun System. They both were in the
Daliang Mountains of Sichuan and Yunnan where matriarchal society
existed. The last of the matriarchal society still exists today in the
We believe that the matriarchal women were involved in the training of
Yim Wing Chun; not just Abbess Ng Mui. Don't ask me for proof. This is
just our pathological deduction.
We believe that the matriarchal women who taught Abbess Ng Mui and Yim
Wing Chun had a fighting method that was not systemized yet. It was Yim
Wing Chun and her lineage who later formulated the system. Like all
things in life, a practical method begins before a system is born. In
the ancient days, there were no medical, business, or science courses or
degrees. People conducted their practice from experience and verbal
pass-down of their knowledge. Courses and schools were later
formulated. Similarly, there were no forms or a system when Yim Wing
Chun was taught to fend for her life. The forms and overall picture was
designed later. Thus, in a way, it is not necessary for me to teach all
the forms to my students in this special program. However, since we DO
have forms now to give us an overall picture of Wing Chun, it would only
speed up the process of their learning. The forms are the working
manuals of Wing Chun that the fore-parents of Wing Chun left us with.
Although the Dummy, 6.5 and Dummy forms are the closing pieces of the
Wing Chun puzzle, it will not be necessary to teach them the form
themselves; they're just training tools. The important aspect of these
forms, just as with the open forms, are the messages within, and what
formulates the Wing Chun concept.
Two reasons that I won't be teaching these tangible forms. First, we
don't have the time to cramp all the forms. Second, it won't be fair
for me to teach my newbies the whole system when I have not done so with
my long-term students.
My Newbies will receive intensive training. Michael is putting in no
less than 6 hours a day of training; out of which 3 hours are
instructional, and the other hours towards drills. Libing is doing 3
hours per day.
Everyone is getting wrapped and hyped up over the "test," when they
should be more interested in the overall progression of these students.
Look at how Libing is performing SLT in 5 days, and how Michael is doing
overall in just 2 weeks. One must consider how they themselves were
doing in 5 or 14 days of Wing Chun schooling.
One 10-year-veteran WC or other style martial artist will obviously
differ from another with same amount of training time. So, the test is
really irrelevant. I've seen and met many 10-year-veteran WC
practitioners who have no substance. In fact ... you and I know that
there are well-known sifus out there with no substance.
What I'm trying to achieve is bring the level of my Newbies to a level
whereby they can overpower a practitioner who has spent 5 to 10 years in
a system that has little or no content, or perhaps match someone of 3
years training in a good system.
As I said, the challenge and test are upon myself, not my students, to
see if I can condense my knowledge and formulate a training method that
can speed up the learning and application process.
The variables of a test is far too wide to consider it seriously. The
result of this concentrated training will only surface later when my
students one day exchange hands with another martial artist or fighter
at a given time of its own.
Although readers are interested and concern themselves over the final
test ... I am not. I will recognize their ability at the end of the
training session, and so will other sifus with keen eyes.
Rod Sands from Australia:
"I've always found that the issue is not physical rather its the mind's
ability to absorb and process the (new) information. ie found that I've
learnt more upon reflection than instruction. Interesting experiemt
Sifu Tom Chi from US:
"This is of course, absurd.
The very nature of Ving Tsun interaction is one which precludes sport
due to how dangerous the applications are. Therefore we courteously
desist after exposing a weakness of our opponent rather than to
literally kill them (with ease). It is difficult to test under real
circumstances and we use caution in how we apply it.
If a student wastes ten years of training then a talented newbie with a
great coach could prevail. However, a real student with ten years
training would absolutely destroy a new student no matter who the coach
I have seen people who believed they were Ving Tsun practitioners who
used aggressive chung chi and kept punching on the centerline who
succeeded against other martial artists. They clearly had very little
training and a lot of natural horseshitting ability.
So, the challenge is hype from my perspective and what I would normally
see from those who not been to the mountain but could see the foothills
and imagined what the mountain must be like.
On the other hand it's nice to see people have enthusiasm even if
delusional and self-aggrandizing at that."
My response to Sifu Tom Chi:
My response to Sifu Tom Chi:
"Dear Sifu Tom Chi:
Although I have not met you, I have high regards for you from the videos
I've seen of you on your website.
Below is the mail I had sent out to members of my website. I had sent
another saying that my goal was to train my new students to enable them
to overpower martial artists of 5 to 10 years experience. I did not
specifically mention VingTsun practitioners or 10 years experience.
Considering that there are so many crappy Wing Chun and other martial
artists out there, I don't think that it is an impossible task. I took
the challenge as an experiment.
Why should martial art be so difficult to learn? It will, of course,
take exceptional teacher and student to accomplish a task such as one
I've taken. Abbess Ng Mui and Yim Wing Chun did it. GGM Yip Man and
Bruce Lee did it. Why shouldn't I or anyone else not accomplish the
There are 6 to 10 year old musicians, with only a few years of
experience, who play the piano or violin better than adults with 10 to
20 years of practice; so, why couldn't a martial artist do the same.
Although Bruce Lee had done more than 3 months training, he had
considerably less training than many Wing Chun practitioners, and had
accomplished a lot more than most veteran martial artists in his
youthful age and in the time he had spent learning martial arts.
I'm not preparing my students to just box their way out, but to give
them a complete understanding of Wing Chun in 3 months. This is not to
say that they will be able to perform as they understand, but will allow
them to continue developing themselves. With a clear overall picture of
Wing Chun, they will have a better chance than those who have been
practicing for years with blinders on.
Begin forwarded message:
From: Danny Xuan
Date: August 23, 2010
7:52:46 AM GMT+08:00
I accepted a challenge from Sifu Lester Lau to enable myself to teach a
student to overpower another martial artist of experience within 3
months of training. I will be in Lijiang for less than 2.5 months, so
that's all the time I have.
Michael Charles is from Trinidad. He started class with me on August 9.
Libing is a Chinese from Nanking and Kunming, but living in Lijiang for
the last 3 years. He started on August 19.
I'm uploading the videos of my class for you to see how I'm compacting
the Wing Chun program to enable them to have certain amount of
efficiency within the 2.5 months of training.
If Yim Wing Chun learned to fight and overpower a man within 3 to 6
months training, it should not be impossible to do the same with my
students. The training program will be based on the Mother Theory that
Sifu Lester Lau had revealed in his seminar in Toronto.
Jay Pawaskar from India:
I have been reading everybody's views on you being able to teach Wing
Chun to a student in 3 months to overpower another student who has
practised for a longer duration.
Well... I do not think it is impossible. I think you can definitely do
it, because of the following reasons:
1. I know you are a fantastic teacher, a great warehouse of Wing Chun
knowledge and a great orator, these being the only things that are
needed for a successful teaching practice.
2. I know that your
teachings are a literal transformation of the fact that 'One's ability
to generate power is directly proportional to One's ability to
3. There is no third point. Everything I understand about you
is summarized in the above two points.
Wish you all the best, and looking forward to news on your succesful
deployment of a compact Wing Chun fighter.
FOURTY FIVE DAYS LATER
Dear WCATS Members and Moy-Yat Clan:
I'm sorry to announce that the Challenge experiment would be put on hold
as of today.
I've uploaded the last videos 20100921 A and B for your viewing.
Michael Charles, the subject of the experiment, has run out of funds. He
has some commitments which has come up sooner than expected. Also, he's
finding the need for a break to digest all the information given to him
in the past month and half.
Libing went to Kunming for a few days to spend time with his family.
As you know, I took the Challenge on myself, to see if Wing Chun could
be taught in a much shorter time than usual. It is not an easy task for
either the teacher or the student to continuously teach and train daily,
4 hours per day, for 3 months. Yim Wing Chun did it because she had a
good reason and incentive to do it. We're in the 21st Century where we
have a lot more commitments than Yim Wing Chun would have had during her
time. That doesn't mean that someone couldn't do it today; however, we
have a living to do. I have expenses to maintain myself and family in
Lijiang, and Michael has expenses for maintaining himself and future
I've provided the videos for you to monitor the course and progress of
the students. I did not plan a fight between Michael and another
martial artist to prove anything or provide a circus for an audience.
Michael does not need to prove anything either. He is not under any
pressure to complete the course or prepare for a fight. If he wishes to
stop, it is his prerogative.
I'm satisfied and happy with the result of the experiment so far. Both
Michael and Libing have done exceptionally well; with Michael training
for 1.5 months, and Libing for just a month. They understand Wing Chun
well, and are starting to make their bodies work accordingly. Although
not included in the Challenge videos series, they have learned Biu Jee
One thing I've learned is that there is no need to create any special
courses for the intensive program but to follow the regular Wing Chun
curriculum. It is still the best course for long or short-term
Anyway, we won't be quitting completely. Michael and Libing will still
train together, and I will be there to monitor their progress wherever I
can. I will still put out some videos, but not everyday. I'm going to
take some time off from teaching to do some research on Wing Chun's
origin in this region.
RESPONSE FROM VIEWERS AND FOLLOWERS OF THE CHALLENGE
I hope your time in Lijiang is as awesome as it possibly can be. I have
heard that it is hard to find a good teacher, but harder still to find a
good student. Although I have never met Michael and Libing, I'm are they
are extraordinary people with extreme dedication and passion to the art.
They are hard to come by these days, thought that seems to be a common
theme for people who gravitates toward WC. Please send them my regards
and hopefully I will have a chance to train with them some day.
Best of everything, Champ"
"Sifu, per me l'esperimento è pienamente riuscito. Non c'è motivo di
completare il tempo prefissato. Si è visto chiaramente che gli allievi
in pochissimo tempo si sono mossi discretamente e ciò per la loro
dedizione e per la vostra bravura. Ringrazio tutti voi per quello che ci
avete trasmesso in tutto questo tempo. Godetevi un po' di vacanza.
"Danny: Thanks again for the intense VingTsun teaching. As an
experiment, it provided great insight into Vingtsun training. As for the
student, it was an answer to their ability to how much information they
can absorb. VingTsun is a life long learning and teaching science. Have
more fun next time. Thank you, Lester Moy2 (10G VT) 9-22-2010"
Thank you very much indeed to led us the great oportunity to take a look
at the Challenge Course with your two brand new Wing Chun students.
It is obvious the great improvement they had gane in a period of just
Of course, we have been considering from the beginning that your new
students were not in the same dangerous situation that Yim Wing Chun was
involved....she had to learn how to fight for her life and
freedom...that should be enough motivation for anyone to train as hard
I feel quite sad now that the challenge has arrived to an end but I must
thank you very much for letting us be inside your kwoon and viewing your
trainning lessons.....you know that as soon as I have the time, I will
travel next to my wife for some trainning period under your guide
wherever you are.
Best of Wishes Rafael"
I just want to say thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience
of WC with us in this past month. It has been very interesting watching
some of the videos that you have produced and from my experience i have
know doubt that your students have now reached a very good level of
understanding WC and with continuous practice will improve their kung fu
dramatically. I can appreciate that this intensive experiment must of
been a challenge for both you and your students and i want to
congratulate you all for taking time to do this. Well done everybody.
This has really inspired me to want to train with u again and i am
contemplating bringing you over here to England to train me the same way
for a few months (hopefully if i can afford it that is.) please tell me
if would you would be able to come to england for about 3 months to
train me for 4-6 hrs per day, and what would it cost me, i will pay for
flight and accommodation.
SIXTY DAYS LATER
Initially, I had decided to leave Lijiang, and return to Bangkok, where
I have students waiting for me. As Michael wasn't able to pay for the
course anymore, I didn't have any reason to stay here. Libing was
brought in as his training partner, so I hadn't asked him for any
tuition fee. Besides, he was already a friend of mine for 3 years, so
was kind of out of line to ask for it. However, Libing over-compensated
the tuition fee with gifts and other givings; true to the Chinese
Later, I decided to stay and continue teaching for free, so I can
complete the 2-month experiment.
On October 10, I invited a local gongfu master, Sifu Wu, to view, test,
and access the abilities of Michael and Libing. Michael completed
exactly 2 months training a day before. Libing was short of 10 days to
make 2 months.
Sifu Wu is from Chongqing, Sichuan, and had moved and settled in Lijiang
9 years ago, when he was hired by local businessmen to teach gongfu and
be employed as a bodyguard. He currently teaches gongfu to children in
a primary school that has over 1000 students. He also has a school of
his own in the Ancient Town of Lijiang, where he was adult and young
Sifu Wu has been involved in martial arts for 25 years. He has trained
under several famous gongfu masters in China. Currently, he teaches
mixed martial arts, geared specially for Sanda (free-style fighting
competition). However, his specialty is in a rare style and branch of
Southern Shaolin Gongfu which is only practiced in Sichuan now.
He was open to showing and discussing the form and style to me, and
allowing me to video and show in my website at http://wcats.com/Misc/ Videos/.
There are some similiarities between the Southern Shaolin Gongfu and
Wing Chun, in that the moves are small, and mostly concentrated in
upper-limb techniques and actions. The legs are used for grounding and
Libing and Michael perform the 3 VingTsun open forms, and Sifu Wu was
very impressed by their performance; stating that they were relaxed and
able to explode their Qi when required.
Libing and Michael performed the VingTsun drills and Chisau exercises,
and Sifu Wu was also impressed. He showed some of the drills and
exercises from the Southern Shaolin Gongfu.
Then, I had Libing and Michael spar gently. Later, I sparred with
Michael, and Sifu Wu sparred with Libing.
Sifu Wu rated Libing's performance at 2 to 2.5-year standard-training
level, and Michael at 1 to 1.5-year level of standard-training.
You can view their test performances at http://wcats.com/Misc/Videos/, and judge for
With Michael gone, Libing has 10 more days of training with me (before I
leave for Bangkok) to complete his 2-month Challenge course. I plan to
give him special training on Chisao, legwork, and Dummy form.
If the chance arrives, I will have another gongfu sifu or martial artist
assess and test his performance. If not, you can judge his overall
performance from the video I will post on October 23.
RESPONSE FROM VIEWERS OF THE TEST
Certified Sifu from WSL Lineage, Rafael Riera in Barcelona:
Dear Sifu and Family:
I viewed the last Challenge videos.
I see that Libing is doing very
well, playing some soft sparring to the other Sifu.
Anyhow, Libbing still not using the best component WC has.."The Close
Range Fighting"...although he is new on that,.. everytime he had the
chance to keep himself closer to his opponent, he stood back and place
himself ones again too far from the other Sifu.
By the way...Libbing got so many straight hands in the other Sifu's
gates while the opponent use two movements: one to defend and one to
attack, not simultaneously like in WC.
Although the other Sifu is doing great with MA form and I am sure he was
not going full speed on Libbing, I can perfectly see and count how many
times Libbing did break through the opponents gates, just using Tan,
Lap, Fok,Pack-sao...the other Sifu was struggleling quite alot!!!...he
seems not used to that direct attacks.
Also I see that Libbing still jumping around like in other Martial Arts.
Well, I am sure that after some Mook Yang Chong and some more legs
trainning, he is going to be able to perfom even better.
I really enjoyed the First Challenge test although still another video
test to upload, isn't it???...
Tell, Libing that we are happy to have him as a good example of a
constant person willing to learn from you.